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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5614
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Posted - 2012.01.07 09:24:00 -
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This is not meant to be a troll response, but I am honestly interested in whether anyone has ever compiled numbers to reflect the relative "safety," measured in affiliated ship deaths over a unit of time, of NBSI versus NRDS engagement philosophy. If so, then that is something I would love to read. Hard numbers would provide solid ammunition (which would of course by ignored by whichever side its conclusion inconvenienced) against the space role players who justify one engagement philosophy over the other due to perceived benefits. For my take, I am under the assumption that NBSI would be more safe for the residents of a region since one never knows in an NRDS area whether the neutral who just joined local is out for blood. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5615
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Posted - 2012.01.07 13:57:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Got to agree with Lyris here, I reckon CFC space is safer than NRDS space for us as it is ruled under the hammer of CFC law and therefore made safe for us loyal CFC citizens.
Just coz it isnt red doesnt mean it isnt out to kill you. Fact.
Actually I forgot, CVA and friends, in the same way the Electus Shitari do set everyone red so they can shoot them, then claim its ok coz they were red, sorry for the misunderstandings there. Even so, the fact that an organisation exists and must engage its bureaucracy in order to set an entity red presents problems.
Let us suppose that there exists an unspecified number of players, and call this Entity X. This could be a single player, twelve players, a hundred players, or any number greater or lesserGÇöfor the point of this thought exercise, it does not matter the size. Now let us imagine the scenarios required for Entity X to infiltrate the space of an NBSI organisation versus those required for Entity X to infiltrate the space of an NRDS organisation. For the purposes of this thought exercise, I define "infiltrate" as a an overt entry into the space of the referenced organisation with the intention of causing harm to the denizens of that space, but without alerting the citizens of those areas that there is something amiss prior to the commission of harmful actions. I presuppose for the sake of argument that the denizens of space regions are always omniscient as to Entity X's movements, via intel channels or what have you, such that arguments such as "lol should have been watching local" have no bearing on this discussion; moreover, I presuppose zero error or loss of attention on the part of those denizens, and in general I wish to preclude discussion of fault or failure on the part of potential victims.
In order to infiltrate an NBSI organisation's space, Entity X must pursue diplomatic contact with the NBSI organisation and achieve blue standings so as to be allowed free movement through the space. At any time after receiving blue standings, Entity X may reveal itself to be clandestine hostiles by engaging members of the NBSI organisation in ambushes, commonly called "awoxes" in null-security space. At this point, after some unspecified period of time, Entity X is removed from a parent entity (if a player or small group of players) or its standings are revoked. At this point, Entity X is openly avoided by non-combatants and targeted by combat fleets dedicated to the task for the foreseeable future.
In order to infiltrate an NRDS organisation's space, Entity X must simply fly into the region without having previously committed violent acts in that region or against those entities in some way linked to it. Upon the commission of harm against one or more of the denizens, red standings are applied to Entity X which may be avoided as easily as making a new corporation with the exact same players. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5615
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Posted - 2012.01.07 14:16:00 -
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Codo Yagari wrote:Always nice to see how most NBSI pilots admit to their choise of RoE being because of their incompetency of enforcing the more demanding, but civil, NRDS. You go on in lengthy ways explaining how impossible it would be for you to do it. Don't be mistaken though, it works pretty good in Providence, despite what the dragons around here try to make you believe.
Well, that's OK, just leave the hard work to the big boys. In truth all you do is whine like babies to the EVE community about your incompetence to grasp the more advanced levels of culture and human behaviour, of course you do it in sligtly different words, trying to cover up your shortages.
Well, there is a way out of your misery. Just back out and admit your mistakes. Humble yourselves, and stop writing all this anti-NRDS propaganda. It just makes you look like some kind of facists tbh. We here in Goonswarm Federation admit to being both incompetent and fascists, what is your point?
e1: For reals, we once lost our entire space empire because our incompetent space CEO didn't pay the space bill on time. e2: Have you not seen all of our World War II-era Soviet-themed propaganda about Commissar Mittens, Chairman LMAO, etc? Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5617
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:10:00 -
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5627
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Posted - 2012.01.08 15:27:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Mohamad Transporte wrote:We fight hostile ships... we dont blow neutral miners, haulers and deffensless ships like you do ... Although these mainly are the one that get ur kb glow... I love nothing more, then the simple joy of blowing miners. :heysexy: Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5627
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Posted - 2012.01.08 15:34:00 -
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Mohamad Transporte wrote: A small mining corp decides to take some rare ore form 0.0 space and make small adventure for their corp... can they come to GSF space.
If they first pursue diplomatic contact and obtain blue standings, then, yes, they can. If you take a look at the member corporations of Goonswarm Federations and our Clusterfuck Coalition, you will find dozens of relatively small corporations each composed of people we're perfectly happy to know and harbour within our borders. Each of those member corporations has only one imperative from upon highGÇöthat they maintain a presence in our strategic fleets. Five people from a twenty-man corp consistently showing up to listen to DBRB prattle on about how racial minorities are responsible for his failure to receive an "A" grade in one of his classes las semester is all that it takes for that corp to remain in the good auspices of the Powers That Be, and so to enjoy the protection offered by a superpower war machine.
But you're right, if some random chucklefuck decides to come into our space and set up shop without first pursuing diplomatic contact and without contributing anything to the maintenance of that space, then, yes, that entity is probably going to get destroyed unless it's half-way competent at playing EVE OnlineGÇöin which case, it will easily evade pursuit by such intrepid fellows as myself, and rack up dozens if not hundreds of kills in the region while we run around like decapitated chickens. Goons are not so great at applying subtle tactics to situations, so anything that does not buckle beneath the admittedly impressive weight of a few dozen or hundred of us piling into a fleet and charging head-first at it should have little problem in avoiding us; and, if the entity in question were to maintain chill, perhaps even civil, demeanour in communications throughout this exercise we might just go ahead and offer to be best friends forever.
I kid you not, that is exactly how Goonswarm Federation and TEST Alliance Please Ignore formed a space pact. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5630
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Posted - 2012.01.08 16:02:00 -
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Codo Yagari wrote:Xolve wrote:I love nothing more, then the simple joy of blowing miners. I am starting to think that may be a mistake. Maybe you are simply genetically inferior afterall. Someone that openly admits blowing up miners is his biggest thrill, and doesn't understand that he himself by admitting this makes it obviously clear to all just how sidetracked he is, ... well, it is sad. It was a sex joke, making fun of the fact that Mohamad Transporteu forgot to include the word "up" in a statement that Xolve initialy quoted, and placed in bold text for emphasis.The statement was something about "blowing miners,"GÇöwhich is a reference to fellatioGÇöas opposed to "blowing up miners,"GÇöwhich is a reference to combatGÇöand so he went with it because he thought it would be funny. And then I went along with him going along with it, which ought to have made it abundantly clear for you or any other reader since my posts are the only posts you (or anyone else) should even bother to read in this thread on these forums. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5630
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Posted - 2012.01.08 16:17:00 -
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It's like this guy is just itching for a hundred or so goons and friends to undock and set sail for Providence.
Codo Yagari, I see your game, and I'll not be tempted into logging into EVE Online no matter how terrible you are. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5633
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:20:00 -
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Killstealing wrote:exterminatus Negative, strategic value Absolute.
Execute Request Order ADEPTUS ASTARTES ULTRA. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5633
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:23:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:It's like this guy is just itching for a hundred or so goons and friends to undock and set sail for Providence.
Codo Yagari, I see your game, and I'll not be tempted into logging into EVE Online no matter how terrible you are. Pretty much this. I'm game to listen in on some more CVA "Space Marine/Battle Fleet Gothicka, always in Character" CVA Fleet Commanders bring the 'pain' with bad fits and lolmails.
I think this calls for me to make a post on the IGS. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5640
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Posted - 2012.01.09 00:33:00 -
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Praerian wrote: We don't have the isk making facilities of a lot of larger alliances and the fleets are nowhere near as professional but they do have some spirit and can give some of the younger players a bit of a learning experience.
To be fair I always thought it was somewhat impressive that CVA maintained a relatively large sovereignty and numerous stations in spite of the fact that the space was relatively poor and unprofitable, in stark comparison to most nullsec blocs whose total territory size and station quantity is limited by the amount of money garnered from moon mining profits at the alliance level. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5664
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:36:00 -
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Leeroy McJenkins wrote:Praerian wrote:Problem is the moment we win a fight some selectively challenged person posts how ++ber we are etc which just inflames the larger entities to come and put us back in our place.
Please name and shame these people, we will only come for them, promise. Confirming what this poster said. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5967
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Posted - 2012.01.15 15:28:00 -
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Hrald wrote:We're leaving out an important alternative doctring. SBED or Shoot Blues ErryDay. This is TEST's official stance. This is a minor mutation of Theta Squad's custom, "Not Blue Don't Shoot It" policy introduced by thecrate. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5967
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Posted - 2012.01.15 15:30:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Mohamad Transporte wrote:for pvp'ers.. its heaven The only redeeming factor of Provi actually, is it gives us PvP types a place to go on our 'off' time and get some ~gudfites~. I'd dig up the battle report from a year or so ago, but 11 nano ships, completely non-consensual anally injured 80+ CVA guys, but I don't think anyone needs proof that CVA is garbage, and nobody gives a single gram of **** about Yulai whatever (maybe if you added another title to your sig, we may care, maybe). The only thing keeping Providence from being routinely ransacked on a scale similar to IRC's space is the fact that IRC's space is so much closer to Mittanigrad than is Providence, the same being in the ass-end of nowhere on the other side of the space map. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5967
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Posted - 2012.01.15 15:31:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:itt goons and provi residents fight over which alliance better embodies the true spirit of eve Now we just need Elitist Ops to show up and argue with us about who are the true goons. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5967
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Posted - 2012.01.15 15:35:00 -
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SirFur wrote:The aim of NRDS to my understanding was never to make space 'safe'. That is what NBSI is good at doing. Any unknown entity is immediately considered hostile and every attempt is taken to take them down. NRDS considers an unknown entity a friend until proven otherwise.
The concept of NRDS is simply there to promote more influx of players to the region so that there is an increase of trade and higher ecomomy. It also provides a starter position for newbies to null sec without actually being involved in a bigger alliance. Providence used to be in the old days one of the most populated null sec regions. In addition, it also provides small corps and smaller alliances a feel for null sec in a society that will welcome them as long as they abide by the ROE. This is mainly what NRDS is good for, as well as of course the opportunity to make new friends and allies to expand the Holders Coalition.
The region of providence has always been great for PvP on both sides for the fact that it has a high target-rich concentration quite often with little PvP experience...and much potential for producing tears....which attracts many PvPers looking for kills and of course many (experienced) PvPers in providence await such incursions though often lack the means or ability to overcome them, quite often because the invading forces are usually much better equipped.
It was and still is a good place for newbies to learn about null sec with minimal commitment but the definitive null sec experience for sure is with an NBSI alliance operating with larger numbers, a feature that NRDS is not able to regularly muster as NBSI is far more preferred ROE for the security and simplicity it involves. Providence has a good number of friendly players and does have a good family feel in most alliances and between allies...many of whom have been in the area for over two years struggling through many difficulties, which has made them closer, and I wish them all the best, but I have moved on now. I mucked around down in CVA space for a bit prior to joining Goonswarm, and I never felt safe because I could never relax. Any of the people in local could have been bad guys, all the time, and I was just a random nobody so it's not like I could really form up a gang to fly with other people and have safety in numbers. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6083
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Posted - 2012.01.16 16:38:00 -
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Codo Yagari wrote:I know you'll keep going on about how NBSI is the supreme RoE, how good it makes you feel when you practise it bla bla bla, and how riduculous and faulty NRDS is, and is only for nerds etc etc, but the fact remains that NBSI is the RoE of the pirate, and NRDS is the RoE of the guardians of civilization. Please provide a citation or proof for this "fact". Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6083
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Posted - 2012.01.16 16:39:00 -
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Codo Yagari wrote:NRDS is about making space safe for everyone. It was always about idealism of simply being nice and friendly.
NBSI is about making space safe for yourself. Chosen by those who deep inside dont trust themselves and thus are unable to trust anyone else. Please cease your ad hominem attacks against your detractors and address the arguments presented you. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6203
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Posted - 2012.01.18 15:02:00 -
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On that note, I am still waiting for arguments to be addressed. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6356
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Posted - 2012.01.19 15:49:00 -
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I rather like NRDS space. I just wish there was some located closer to Deklein. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
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